The Problem with Medicare QMB Administration

I find it ironic that before I became disabled, one of my last jobs was teaching social workers and doing outreach to the public about Medicare Savings Programs (MSPs) and now I rely on them.  If the government hadn’t funded a grant for me to do this outreach, I might never have known this program exists.  Problem is, most doctors, hospitals, politicians, and even the Medicaid offices that administer them don’t understand them at all which limits my access to care at times.  Not to mention, most don’t know that their low-income Medicare patients could qualify for them.

The Medicare Savings Programs are a great resource for those who are poor and need medical assistance.  The problem is, they shouldn’t be administered by the states through the state eligibility offices with Medicaid.  This current set up confuses providers, creates huge burdens on patients, and adds stress to an already broken system with subpar tools and resources.  But because it is administered along with Medicaid, as if it’s Medicaid, I’m subjected to this system, one that already already makes me feel like a burden, one that takes away my dignity as I try to simply get by.  And unfortunately, it’s never going to get better.

The Basics of QMB et al:

If you qualify for Medicare, and you are poor, you may qualify to be on a Medicare Savings Program which can help with Medicare Part A and Part B premiums, deductibles, coinsurance, and co-pays.  The level of coverage is determined by how poor you are. Based on income and resources (e.g. if you own a car or have stocks), someone might qualify for one of 4 programs:

  • Qualified Medicare Beneficiary (QMB)
  • Specified Low-Income Medicare Beneficiary (SLMB)
  • Qualifying Individual (QI)
  • Qualified Disabled and Working Individual (QDWI).

To see what the income and resource limits are and what each program covers, go here.

For my part, I qualify for QMB which means that I have less than $1,010 in income per month and less than $7,280 in resources (I assure you my resources are far less than that).  This means that I have my Part A and Part B premiums paid as well any deductibles, coinsurance, and copayments.

This is amazing when it works.  It means that I can get all the care I need – doctors visits, therapy, specialists, physical therapy, occupational therapy, hospital coverage.  I have probably more access to care than most people in the United States in general – limited only by what Medicare doesn’t cover (things like dental care and IUDs) and providers who don’t take Medicare (unfortunately many don’t, but there’s still a big enough market of providers that do).  And to be clear, I also need more access than most people in the U.S. simply to get by on a day to day basis and can barely afford my living situation and food, so it’s not like I’ve got some big windfall of a benefit but it ensures (along with my Medicare Part D Low Income Subsidy) that I can survive and maybe one day I’ll be able to work again.

However, through the infinite wisdom of the politicians (said with heaving sarcasm) who crafted MIPPA (Medicare Improvement for Patients and Providers Act which passed in 2008 over a presidential veto), it was decided (perhaps in part because this is a means-based program) that the state Medicaid offices should administer MSPs.  This is where things become a problem for several reasons.

The Problem with Medicare QMB Administration:

First, since it goes through Medicaid, I get a Medicaid card which seems innocuous but is one of the biggest problems.  When a provider sees the Medicaid card, they freak out.  Many Medicare providers don’t take Medicaid and so they get upset because they assume I have Medicaid.  I have had to put together a 5 page document with graphics to explain to them that no, this isn’t Medicaid, it’s Medicare.  I know it’s confusing and then I go through the song and dance of explaining the program.  Many remain weary.  Some have said they won’t treat me.

Second, because it goes through Medicaid, it shows up at times on the form as me having Medicaid.  Repeat same issue as above.

And Third, what I’ve been dealing with all week, I have to deal with the inane inefficiency of the state Medicaid offices. Issues from the application to the web portal to the phone lines abound.  And not just in Colorado.  I’ve now lived in 3 states (Texas, Maryland, and Colorado) where I’ve had to work with these systems and they are all convoluted and not in the least bit intuitive.   As a lawyer, who work in the Texas State Legislature on the laws of these programs and who taught people about these programs, I find the process difficult.  For most others, it can be near impossible to sort through.

The application itself in every state is a mess . The applications are supposed to make things somehow easier because they cover all of the assistance programs – TANF, food stamps, medicare, medicaid, etc.  However, that just makes it more complicated.  The questions on the forms create confusion and (partly because programs overlap on what information is needed – for instance, food stamps and QMB both require proof of income) it is unclear what information is really needed in the first place.  Long checklists are provided by each state of what to send in.  Yet, I kid you not, no matter how much I send in (this last time 31 pages) I am almost always told something is missing, they want at least 1 more document.  It never ceases to amaze me how difficult it is to amass all the documents they want in the first place and then get them to the office only to be told they want something else.

In Colorado, the web portal is decent at letting you upload some of these documents but it has limits too.  File sizes can only be so big, names of files can only be so long, the drop down boxes where you tell them what document you sent may not fit what you are sending, etc.  If you aren’t computer savvy, forget using the portal.

The Colorado portal is also supposed to list your benefits but the tabs on the site don’t necessarily take you where you want to go.  For instance “Account Management” takes you to a page where you can ask to “Stop MyBenefit Account Activity” –  it has nothing to do with actually managing your account.    The communication tab is completely frustrating in its own right with a subtab for “your questions” where, when you submit questions – they are almost never answered, or if they are the answer makes little sense.  You get no notification that anyone ever looked at your question or when they answer it and at times, there’s no other way to contact anyone else.  Being able to access it from your phone is a non-starter.

I could go on with the examples, suffice it to say, they did not develop these portals with the end user in mind and they certainly didn’t ask any beneficiaries to help them develop it.  Sure it’s a place ripe for innovation and developing a decent portal could improve efficiency (thus saving the state time and money) but because it’s a benefits portal, the likelihood of it getting any focus is nil.  (Plus most people think if you’re poor you don’t have access to or can’t use a computer to begin with).

The communications are also convoluted.  For instance, I got a notice saying I was approved for medical assistance benefits.  Then I was asked to be available for a call, but it did not say for which program.  After the call, I got a letter saying I was approved for food stamps until March 2019 as long as my income didn’t increase beyond a certain amount.  Then I got a notice that my medical benefits were cancelled because of a document I didn’t send in (one they asked for illegally) though I had already received notices I was approved.  It’s absurd that it is this hard.

And then we come to the phone.  I prefer not to use the phone.  First, I have issues with sleeping and so my hours are off and I can’t always get to the phone before end of day and even then my anxiety can get the better of me.  Second, I don’t like the phone for anything in general, especially when there are alternative means (like a portal) that can be utilized.  But every once in a while, I still have to use the phone.  Monday was one of those times.  Given that my medical benefits were cancelled and I was scrambling to figure out what had gone wrong, what had fallen through the cracks, I was frantic to get a hold of someone and get it sorted out ASAP.  I called the eligibility office and one inbox said I might not hear back for 3 days, another said maybe 2 days.  I called the state Medicaid line only to be on hold for TWO AND A HALF HOURS, when someone finally answered, she could only tell me what the document was that was missing (again, one they didn’t need and had no basis of fact to ask for).  Three hours later, I had no answers, had to cancel all of my appointments (therapy, physical therapy, doctors), was thinking about how this will effect my prescription coverage, and was upset and frightened I’d have no medical care under a Medicare program that I rely on and, if you ask me, should never be run by the states in the first place.

I realized later that the issue this time was not merely a lack of communication but a fundamental difference in how the offices are run around the state.  I was previously going through the Denver County eligibility office the prior 2 times.  This time I was under the Douglas County eligibility office and apparently Douglas County doesn’t read the rules it cites.  Trying to get access to Medicare benefits I qualify for via these state offices meant to deal with Medicaid that are themselves not functioning properly (they should be run by a unified state office, not county by county in my opinion), puts an undue burden of stress on any applicant.

So What Can Be Done?

Nothing really.  The federal government isn’t going to reform this part of MIPPA when they’re focused on repealing the ACA and destroying healthcare access for millions of Americans in the first place.  In fact, things may only get worse as they continue their assault on Medicaid, with MSPs being a likely casualty of war.  Heck, I’m not sure many Republicans know this program exists, because if they did, they’d be foaming at the mouth to get rid of it too.  The states aren’t going to spend more money improving these offices or developing better portals.  Because a lot of the requirements for all of these programs are federal, states hands are often tied as to making anything easier in terms of what needs to be submitted.  And no politician will likely care about anyone who is a QMB, SLMB, QI, or QWDI because we’re such a small portion of disenfranchised individuals with no money or power.  Thus, we are easily ignored and forgotten.

Many people think there are individuals “scamming” the system.  To them, I’d like to say – try scamming it yourself.  I don’t know anyone who would willing go through this much work in the first place and I am fairly sure that it’s almost impossible to do so given all of the hoops you have to jump through.

Many people think individuals on these programs are just getting a free ride or we’re “lazy” and don’t deserve these benefits, that we should pull ourselves up by the bootstraps.  To them, I’d like to say, there is absolutely no joy in having to need to be on these programs.  A million times over I’d rather be able to work and pay my own way.  I’d like to pay for my own food and my medical care and my rent and all my necessities because it is beyond embarrassing to need this assistance and the panic I go through thinking I could lose them and not knowing if I’ll survive if I do is overwhelming.

Most people don’t know how hard it is to navigate this system and you never will until you are a part of it.

And once you are a part of it you will realize that it is an abusive system, meant to degrade and take the dignity away from individuals who are simply trying to subsist, to barely survive.  I can’t refuse the Medicaid the piece of paper they asked for even though it was illegal to ask for, because I have to submit to whatever they ask me to do.  They say “jump,” I say “how high” because if I don’t, I lose everything.  I have to comply and be good and live under the constant threat that I’ll lose what I have.  And if something goes awry, it’s never the eligibility office’s fault, it’s always mine.   I can’t say no, I can’t fight back, I can’t press for change.  I have no one at my back to ask for change either.  So I try to work within a system that strips me of my privacy, my agency, and my dignity.

On Dignity and Being a Burden:

That dignity is further eroded as I am told constantly by society that I am a burden – my diseases and my need for assistance both make me a burden.  Health policy papers are published every day on the “the burden of disease” or “the burden of diabetes” or “the burden of mental health illness” or “the burden of multiple chronic conditions.”  They outline in very detailed numbers how much I cost society.  Some are meant to be encouraging as to why we should change the healthcare system but even that good intent still makes me a number, a number of how I take away from this society when I can give little back.

You would think that if someone wanted me not to be a burden, they would change the system and make sure I have access to all the care I could need.  For if I were able to get better and become more functional, I could contribute to society instead of taking from it.  But the real truth is, people don’t see it that way.  They don’t see me as an investment, they see me as a dead weight.  And they see my needing assistance as being a character flaw rather than an actual need – blaming me for the diseases I suffer from rather than helping me overcome them, yet another assault on my dignity and worth as a human being. If you see someone as dead weight or at fault for lot in life then you see no problem with taking away the very benefits they rely on.

Trying to explain that in the end it’s cheaper for society to make sure I’m treated versus not isn’t persuasive to most.  Granted, I would certainly be much cheaper to society if I don’t get treatment and die.  I’ve said this before:

“In all honesty, I do not joke that

the system is set up to make people quit 

and, in the macabre sense, to make them die.”

This isn’t hyperbole, though I wish it were.


Update: I received a notice in the portal that says I qualify for medical benefits but under the notes it makes it incredibly unclear what I qualify for.  Therefore, I remain unsure if I truly have the coverage I qualify for and am stuck in limbo trying to contact the office yet again to get clarification.  Until then, all appointments are cancelled and I remain browbeaten by this system. 

Update: I’ve posted a copy of the document I give to my providers below.  The last 2 pages are what Colorado has on the program, most states should have similar pages on their website that you can look up depending where you are.  This is NOT legal advice.

Explaining QMB To Providers

I’m also posting screenshots of the document here as well. 

Update, March 6, 2018: I am posting here the exact screenshot from the Medicare website as of today, March 6, 2018. Specifically, people on QMB should note:

Medicare providers aren’t allowed to bill you for Medicare deductibles, coinsurance, and copayments when you get services and items Medicare covers, except outpatient prescription drugs. Pharmacists may charge you up to a limited amount (no more than $3.70 in 2018) for prescription drugs covered by Medicare Part D.

To make sure your provider knows you have QMB, show both your Medicare and Medicaid or QMB card each time you get care. If you get a bill for medical care Medicare covers, call your provider or plan about the charges. Tell them that you have QMB and can’t be charged for Medicare deductibles, coinsurance and copayments. If this doesn’t resolve the billing problem, call us at 1-800-MEDICARE (1-800-633-4227).



Update, March 7, 2018: For more questions your provider may have about QMB, this resource from CMS (the Center for Medicare and Medicaid) should help:

Qualified Medicare Beneficiary Program – FAQ on Billing Requirements [highlights added]
Q1: What is the Qualified Medicare Beneficiary (QMB) Program?
A1: The QMB program is a Medicaid benefit that assists low-income Medicare beneficiaries with Medicare Part A and Part B premiums and cost sharing, including deductibles, coinsurance, and copayments. In 2015, 7.2 million individuals (more than one out of 10 Medicare beneficiaries) were enrolled in the QMB program.

Q2. What is CMS changing about the QMB program?
A2. None of the QMB billing requirements are new. However, CMS is making it easier for providers to comply by updating CMS systems to inform providers to identify a patient’s QMB status and exemption from cost-sharing charges.

Q3: What billing requirements apply to providers and suppliers for QMB patients?
A3: All original Medicare and Medicare Advantage providers and suppliers – not only those that accept Medicaid – must refrain from charging individuals enrolled in the QMB program for Medicare cost sharing for covered Parts A and B services.
For more information about QMB billing rules, see

Q4: I am enrolled in Medicare but do not accept Medicaid patients. Do I need to follow the QMB billing rules?
A4: Yes. All Medicare suppliers and providers — even those that do not accept Medicaid — must refrain from billing QMBs for Medicare cost-sharing for Parts A and B covered services.

Q5: Do QMB billing requirements apply to beneficiaries enrolled in all Medicare Advantage plans?
A5: Yes. The QMB billing restrictions apply to all QMB, including those enrolled in Medicare Advantage plans and original Medicare.

Q6: Do QMB billing prohibitions apply to Part B-covered prescription drugs?
A6: Yes. The QMB billing prohibitions apply to all Part A and B services, including Part Bcovered prescription drugs.

Q7: May pharmacies still collect Medicare Part D copayments from QMBs?
A7: Yes, the prohibition on collecting Medicare copayments is limited to services covered under Parts A and B. Pharmacists may still collect the Low Income Subsidy copayment amounts from QMBs for Part D-covered prescription drugs.

Q8: Can Medicare providers and suppliers seek payment for Medicare cost-sharing for QMBs from State Medicaid Programs?
A8: Yes, but as permitted by federal law, most States limit their payment of Medicare deductibles, coinsurance, and copays for QMBs. Regardless, persons enrolled in the QMB program have no legal liability to pay Medicare providers for Medicare Part A or Part B cost-sharing.
Understand the processes you need to follow to request payment for Medicare costsharing amounts if they are owed by your State. Providers generally need to complete a State Provider Registration Process and be entered into the State payment system to receive payment from the State. If a claim is automatically crossed over to another payer, such as Medicaid, it is customarily noted on the Medicare RA.

Q9: What are key ways that providers and suppliers can promote compliance with QMB billing rules?
A9: Providers can take the following steps:
1. Establish processes to routinely identify the QMB status of your patients prior to billing (please see Q9 for details on how to do so).
2. Ensure that billing procedures and third-party vendors exempt QMBs from Medicare charges and that remedy billing problems should they occur. If you have erroneously billed an individual enrolled in the QMB program, recall the charges (including
referrals to collection agencies) and refund the invalid charges he or she paid.
3. Determine the billing processes that apply to seeking payment for Medicare costsharing from the States in which you operate. Different processes may apply to Original Medicare and MA services provided to individuals enrolled in the QMB
program. For Original Medicare claims, nearly all States have electronic crossover processes through the Medicare Benefits Coordination & Recover Center (BCRC) to automatically receive Medicare-adjudicated claims.
For more information on these steps, see

Q10: How can providers identify the QMB status of their patients?
A10: Beginning November 4, 2017, providers and suppliers can use Medicare eligibility data provided to Medicare providers, suppliers, and their authorized billing agents  (including clearinghouses and third party vendors) by CMS’ HETS to verify a patient’s QMB status and exemption from cost-sharing charges. For more information on HETS,
Starting October 3, 2017, original Medicare providers and suppliers can readily identify the QMB status of patients and billing prohibitions from the Medicare Provider Remittance Advice, which will contain new notifications and information about a
patient’s QMB status. Refer to Qualified Medicare Beneficiary Indicator in the Medicare Fee-For-Service Claims Processing Systems for more information about these improvements.
MA providers and suppliers should also contact the MA plan to learn the best way to identify the QMB status of plan members.
Providers and suppliers may also verify a patient’s QMB status through State online Medicaid eligibility systems or other documentation, including Medicaid identification cards and documents issued by the State proving the patient is enrolled in the QMB program.

Q11: What information does the Medicare Summary Notice (MSN) include for QMBs?
A11: Starting October 3, 2017, the Medicare Summary Notice (MSN) will contain new information for QMBs that informs them of their QMB status and billing protections and accurately reflect their cost-sharing liability ($0 for the period enrolled in the
QMB program).


21 Responses to The Problem with Medicare QMB Administration

  1. Not Giving up Yet says:

    “abusive system, meant to degrade and take the dignity away from individuals who are simply trying to subsist, to barely survive.”

    Wow what a horrible point of view about a program that is set up to help the most vulnerable. No wonder you are so angry in your posts. I kind of don’t get it though?I mean if like you have enough time and energy to rail against programs that you benefit from it seems like you could be working at least part time for them to fix their systems? I imagine however being so angry in work and health care settings would be a super big challenge.

    It sounds like your housing, food, therapy, medical care are all funded by people who are working despite their disabilities and you acknowledge that you in fact do benefit but you sound like such a total “victim”? Are you so ashamed of receiving benefits that you attack the programs and people that are keeping you alive? Everyone is a burden at some points in our lives so let it go and heal or at least find a way to live despite your disabilities and mental health stuff.

    The solution in the end seems like it is to get a job with benefits and get out from under the system you hate so much. No one not even millenials get unlimited access to “all the care you want”

    BTW I found your blog simply because I was looking for information on Type I and depression and disability. I would be even more sad if this is my future but reading your blog has convinced me to stay in college and do everything I can to stay off the public systems and never go on disability. Thanks (this isn’t meant to be a public post – just to you )

    • Dear Sara,

      I appreciate your comments here as they are the perfect example of privilege and ablism that is rampant in our culture.

      To distill your view, you are essentially saying be grateful for what you get even if what you get is shit and even if that shit makes you feel worse. That’s a very privileged view on life.

      To ask me to “let it go” flippantly disregard my disabilities, which include my mental health “stuff” is the very definition of ableism. First, you should know that they do not give disability benefits to just anyone. It is a rather rigorous process that includes providing years of medical records and proof with very few who apply able to meet that burden of proof. Rebeca Vallas has a great twitter thread on it here if you’d like to learn more about what it means to even be classified as disabled.

      No I cannot just “let it go” as these are issues that stem from multiple physical processes and even structural changes in my brain that keep me from being able to hold a job and sometimes to even get out of bed. The fact that you do not understand that again shows a high level of ableism, not to mention a complete lack of compassion.

      I’m not precisely sure what you mean by “I mean if like you have enough time and energy to rail against programs that you benefit from it seems like you could be working at least part time for them to fix their systems?” If you imply that me having time to write a good post occasionally or interact on twitter is the same as holding down a consistent job, then you clearly have yet to figure out how the real world works and what most jobs require. Even with accommodations, it is really hard to tell an employer that one day you may be late because of a low blood sugar or step out of a meeting to check a low, the next day you can’t come in because you have cramps that make you vomit and writhe in pain, the next day the headaches are so bad you can’t think straight, the next day you have gastrointestinal issues that leave you in the bathroom for long periods of time, the next day you have a panic attack, and so on with almost every day a thought that I want to kill myself. Not to mention needing time off for doctors appointments (up to 3 a week) and therapy (twice a week). No employer wants to hire someone with that many needs. Though while working I never missed a deadline and I presented great work, the consistency could not be sustained, even part time.

      And by “working at least part time for them” you mean to work for the Medicaid office, you may want to consider their hiring process and budget as these both impact whether there are any actual jobs for me to work in. And once there, the positions that are available are generally not ones that would allow me to “fix” them. To fix them takes action at the level of the state regulatory agency, the state legislature, and with our federal politicians. It is more a political game than it is a simple “fix.” I cannot provide more funds to have more people answer the phones at the medicaid call line rather than let people stay on hold for 2.5 hours. I cannot change the rules by which the offices are supposed to regulate. I can advocate through writing and through other channels and I do as do other citizens both able-bodied and not. Not to mention, my entire career until I went on disability was spent trying to “fix” these systems. I specifically worked on these issues for years. Thus not only do I now know what they do to someone who is completely dependent on them as I am now, I knew then how bad they were to people, before I needed to rely on them. People deserve better.

      It is not a “horrible point of view” it is a realistic one and I’m glad that you live in a bubble of idealism where anyone can just get a job and simply fix things that are broken. It’s sweet and is a sign that you are in fact untouched by some of the harsh realities of this world. I sincerely do hope you will stay in school and that you won’t need to be on disability. But even if you get your law degree as I did it will not save you from things like car accidents and autoimmune processes and structural and chemical changes to your brain that can take away the chance you might have to live the life you want to live.

      Finally, your entire post is dripping with disdain and judgment. You would think that someone who has certainly faced challenges with type 1 diabetes and is now struggling with depression might have a bit more compassion. Yet you embody the type of shaming, demeaning, and belittling that I speak of in this post. I do not relish in the fact that I don’t have a job and can’t keep one – no one in my situation does. And while I already feel like shit mentally and physically everyday, people like you come along and dismiss my very real struggles, tell me I’m being too “angry.” You write that I should “let it go” and yet in the same paragraph point out to me how much of a burden I am by relying on the very programs I need to survive because some people with disabilities can work. I’m glad that some people with disabilities can work. That’s fabulous and maybe one day if I find the right treatments, I too will be able to work. But that’s not an option for me at this time.

      I’m so glad you wrote this because it gives me an opportunity to point out and further prove my point about how society sees the disabled and is okay with treating them horribly – judging them, telling them that they shouldn’t expect anything good, but should be happy with whatever shit they are deemed worthy of providing. I think that’s a pretty “horrible point of view” about how the world works and how we should treat the least among us, those who are in the most need.

      As this is a public blog and my comment section is public this will not be “just for [me]” but I will keep it open for others to see.

      Best of luck with your studies at UMass. You might look at Beyond Type 1 which has some good resources on type 1 diabetes and depression which can be found here – also is a great resource for mental health, disability, and disease with lots of people telling their own personal stories.

      May you never have to know as much pain as many of us on disability have.

    • Crystal Nutgrass says:

      My husband is in a wheelchair and has MS, should he get a job? Don’t assume that all the people on these programs are just people that are to lazy to work. My husband would do anything to be healthy and pain free, to be able to stand up and walk and go to work. Shame on you.

  2. I just had my qmb discontinued. I got this letter of course they had to send it to me on Friday at 3 so that I would have to worry about it all weekend. They said that I qualified for another Medicaid Program on my medicare but that it would only pay my part B premiums so who pays my copayments for my mental health care me? I can’t I only make 1100 a month.
    And being a burden I feel that. They don’t have any problem breaking our Spirits they have a major problem helping us. Let alone helping us understand what we’re dealing with they really don’t care. Thank you for blocking this I’m trying to figure out right now what to write on my own blog.

    • I’m so sorry to hear this. Sounds like you just edged over into the SLMB? Where they pay for part of the program but you still pay for some co-payments, etc. Might call them and make sure that they calculated your resources correctly. But of course I know exactly how hard that is and how disheartening and scary to be fighting like that for healthcare. I feel every part of what you are saying and I’m sending all my best.

  3. Crystal Nutgrass says:

    This is so true, my husband is on the QMB program and we are swimming in bills, bills we are not even supposed to be billed. Collection agency contacting is about medical bills and the doctor threatening to not see my husband unroll all bills are paid. We have showed them the Medicaid and Medicare cards and like you said they freak out that they don’t take medicaid. They have no idea what QMB is. It is so frustrating, how do we handle this, explain it to the collection agencies so they take it off our credit?

    • I’m so sorry yo hear this and completely understand. I can’t give any legal advice on how to go about this, but you might try calling the Medicaid office and asking them how to communicate this with your provider. You can also print off the information from at and I’m sure there’s a similar site for your state (google Qualified Medicare Beneficiary + your state). Then you will need to negotiate with the billing person in each office to tell them to call the collection agencies and tell them it’s in error.

      I put together a handout for them that says:

      I’m a Qualified Medicare Beneficiary (QMB) on the Medicare Savings Program – a program for those who qualify for Medicare but are extremely low income.

      The law that passed this program – Medicare Improvement for Providers and Patients Act (MIPPA) – set it up so the program is run through state Medicaid offices.

      That means the card I get looks like it’s for Medicaid services. It may even register in your computer as Medicaid. But it is MEDICARE.

      I am NOT eligible for Medicaid services. I am only eligible for Medicare services.

      I also put:
      1) Does this mean you are dual eligible? Do you have both Medicare and Medicaid? NO. I am not dual eligible. I only have Medicare benefits. I am not eligible for Medicaid benefits, only Medicare benefits. If Medicare does not cover it, I am not covered.
      2) We don’t accept Medicaid patients, can we accept you? YES. I am NOT a Medicaid patient. I am only a Medicare patient.
      3) Why does your card look like a Medicaid card? Why does it come up as Medicaid in our computer system? Because the federal law set up the Medicare Savings Programs to run through state Medicaid offices, claims go to the Medicaid office and thus look like it is a Medicaid program.
      It is NOT a Medicaid program.
      4) Do we have to do anything different for our billing? NO. You can file this claim the same as you would for Medicare but you will bill two programs as if I have a secondary insurance. You will need BOTH cards as BOTH are Medicare cards and you will need to file them with each entity. Most computer systems are set up to do this easily.
      5) Who do I contact if I have questions about this program? You can call Medicare at: 1-800-MEDICARE Or you can call the state Medicaid office at: (you will need to look this number up)
      Then when I present this paper to them, I specifically say, “I know, this looks like Medicaid, but I swear it is not. This is a Medicare program that goes through the Medicaid office. It’s confusing but if you enter it in the system, it will read as Medicare.”

      I hope this helps.

    • Donna Brown says:

      My dr accepts medicare but will not take my qmb because they do not take medicaid. What do I do?

      • You explain to your doctor that he is not accepting Medicaid. QMB is not Medicaid – it is only medicare. The problem is it looks like Medicaid because the program is administered through state Medicaid offices. You need to explain that you ONLY have Medicare that the additional card (the one that looks like Medicaid) is not Medicaid and will not cover Medicaid services. This is a common problem with doctors not understanding this program and trying to turn away patients that have QMB or SLMB.

      • I have added to the bottom of the post the document I give my providers. I also took screenshots of the document in case you have issues opening the file. This is not legal advice but should be helpful explaining the issue to your provider.

  4. Tom says:

    I have QMB in Fla. I have had specialist I need to see ,say they won’t even file Medicaid claims
    .If a doctor wont use my brown Medicaid card at all, and just goes ahead and uses my Medicare card I am assuming he will be paid the 80% of what Medicare gives him, and i will be billed the remaining 20%?
    My ENT specialist I am trying to see says they can’t bill me the 20% at all, and possibly not even get what Medicare assigns for a visit. They say i have Medicaid which they don’t take. I leagly have to tell them I have Medicare and use my Medicaid card.

    • If you’ll look at previous comments and at the end of that post, I’ve shared the information I provide my doctors in Colorado. It is not legal advice, just my experience and it works. I have also let them just bill Medicare and then when I get a bill, I can call the billing company and give them the additional information. Usually the people billing are easier. You may also try calling the Florida government agency that administers this program – the website ( says “If a person receives Medicare only, they may still be eligible for help with the above expenses through the following programs: Qualified Medicare Beneficiaries (QMB), Qualifying Individuals 1 (QI-1), and Special Low-Income Medicare Beneficiaries (SLMB). To apply for one of these programs call the Department of Children and Families’ toll-free number (866) 762-2237 or visit” You might also use this resource from

      My ultimate line is “This LOOKS like Medicaid but it’s Medicare. Because of the way the law was written this is a program for low income individuals who are on Medicare. It is confusing but I PROMISE it is for Medicare and ONLY covers Medicare benefits. It is NOT Medicaid and you cannot turn me away from care because you don’t understand this program.”

      • Tom says:

        Problem is if the provider does not accept Medicaid they only get the 80% Medicare assigned payment or less and cant collect the last 20%. Also I myself am not even allowed to pay this 20%. Doctors get less so many won;t take it.

      • This is not true. The remaining portion is paid by the Medicaid office (on behalf of Medicare). They are not losing out on ANY money. The amount they would ask you to pay is covered by QMB. QMB pays for deductibles, copayments, co-insurance. In other words, anything they’d ask you to pay, QMB pays for. They will get paid.

      • Tom says:

        So they don’t have to even file with Medicaid they just file a standard medicare claim? I was under the impression i had to see doctors that File Medicaid claims. My ENT specialist who does take medicare wont see me.

        So confusing. If you want to communicate via ph let me know.

      • They must still file with the Medicaid office. Note, they are filing with the office. It is still not Medicaid, it is Medicare. They have to file for your Medicare benefits with the Medicaid office. They must file for these benefits because they are not allowed to bill you any extra. He cannot refuse you by saying he doesn’t take Medicaid because this is not Medicaid. If he wants to get paid, he must file under Medicaid. He is not allowed to bill you.

        The Medicare site( specifically says:

        “Medicare providers aren’t allowed to bill you for Medicare deductibles, coinsurance, and copayments when you get services and items Medicare covers, except outpatient prescription drugs. Pharmacists may charge you up to a limited amount (no more than $3.70 in 2018) for prescription drugs covered by Medicare Part D.

        To make sure your provider knows you have QMB, show both your Medicare and Medicaid or QMB card each time you get care. If you get a bill for medical care Medicare covers, call your provider or plan about the charges. Tell them that you have QMB and can’t be charged for Medicare deductibles, coinsurance and copayments. If this doesn’t resolve the billing problem, call us at 1-800-MEDICARE (1-800-633-4227).”

        It is very confusing. I would suggest you print this out and bring it to his office. I can’t consult via phone because I cannot give you legal advice on this. I can only provide my experience and the resources I’ve shared here. I’m so sorry it’s a mess.

        Do call Medicare and the previous resources to see if they have advice on how you can specifically address this with your specific provider. Since he is part of the Medicare program, he must comply with Medicare rules and regulations and Medicare will have his information on file as a Medicare approved provider.

      • You may also want to call that org I mentioned above. They have a Healthcare Protect. 407-801-4350

      • One more resource for you

        From CMS (the Center for Medicaid and Medicare Services) directly ( Specifically:

        Q4: I am enrolled in Medicare but do not accept Medicaid patients. Do I need to follow the QMB billing rules?
        A4: Yes. All Medicare suppliers and providers — even those that do not accept Medicaid — must refrain from billing QMBs for Medicare cost-sharing for Parts A and B covered services.

        Print that out for your provider.

  5. J says:

    I cannot imagine having to report almost every bit of money you might receive from PayPal donations to the State/Federal government. With the system as heinous as it is, the effects of the requirement to ensure that one is not “taking advantage,” are additionally damaging to the psyche, let alone benefits. Of course, the latter is exactly why the various systems strive to keep individuals from “breaking the cycle of poverty,” “bucking up,” and all that rot. There is terrific irony that, on the one hand, the only way to “dignity,” is to be employed, and employed outside the home, and, on the other, that the system works entirely to strip all remaining dignity from those who can no longer do so.

    If your photograph is any indication of your age, I am vastly older than you are. In the past week, what remains of my will to live have vastly decreased due to new requirements to apply for the hoax that is the “Medicare Savings Program.” It is not a matter of deliberate suicide, as I am certain you agree. It is the impact of being told, yet again, that, not only are you put in an even “lesser” category of humanity, no matter what kind of work one has done, nor for how many years, that you are a surplus drain on the population and on all those who support you by “working.”

    I, too, worked as an advocate. I know how fouled the system is. The addition of not being able to have an impact now, in order to change it, not for anyone, not myself, can kill the spirit entirely. But you, and most everyone else, even those who work in the system know that – yet they continue to work in those systems – something I could never do.

    You can appreciate that when I received, as did many others, the letter from the health systems group I utilize, that Free Care will no longer be granted without applying for this falsely-named and enacted, “Medicare Savings Program,” when I was, at last able to speak to one of these hospital-hired “team” members, (supplanting HHS workers, and adding to health system expenses in a very big way), that when I, at, first, stated that I was not eligible due to income, I was told, “Okay. I’ll make a note of that.” (Note: I had thought I was, indeed, receiving too much Social Security, even though I have zero assets – not even this computer). I asked for clarification. Turns out, the hospital system “team” member was taking my word at that, and would have made a note that I would not be required to file for what is, in fact, Medicaid. Just like that.

    Unfortunately, I couldn’t leave that alone. (You know how it is). I rather demanded to know if they were accepting what people told then, without any proof, save for their ability to confirm that an individual receives Medicare benefits. I am an idiot. I was compelled to tell this individual that, yes, I do, indeed, qualify. If only I could stop trying to prove the errors.. stop trying to re-validate my existence and value, I would not be faced with trudging down to the local HHS office, or, choosing to be billed, and have to try to pay for, for services not covered by Medicare.

    On the other hand, the $132 per month that I have been paying this year for Part B coverage, would be most welcome in-pocket. But what if I can find a way to earn money. If I can’t believe that I can still find a way to legally earn, (by the way – why do “housewives” get a free pass – or “legacy” people who do not work), then the tote board has another mark against doing my darndest to stay on the planet.

    In writing this out, my decision, at least for now, is to not apply for the faux Medicare Services Program, and let the hospital system figure out how to manage any bills I cannot pay, except on a $5 or $10 per month basis.

    Also, in writing this, and as you know, I use myself as an example, knowing that what is happening to, and with me, is effecting everyone. It is good that I found your post. The search was for Problems with Medicare Savings Program. While reading of your experience has not lifted concerns, it helped in my decision not to apply.. at least at the moment. Of course, it is for those who do not understand, that there is the highest value in recording on the internet.

    • I’m so sorry that you are going through this. If you do need help, you really should try to apply for Medicare Savings Programs. They do work but the application process is terrible and demoralizing. If I weren’t on the Medicare Savings Program as a QMB, I would have no healthcare. That’s why this is so distressing to me. I have to have access to doctors and so I don’t have a choice but to sign up for this program.

      I understand the decreased will to live. Honestly, it just hits again and again and again. There is an utter futility in navigating the system and in trying to keep our heads above water. I’m hear your pain and frustration and want to just validate it. More so, I’d like to change the system so no one has to feel this way. But as we struggle to keep ourselves going, it takes a toll on being able to help others and bring about change.

      If I can point you toward any resources for help, please let me know. It shouldn’t have to be this hard. It really shouldn’t. Thank you for sharing your story and struggles. And please take care of yourself. Know you’re not alone.

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